Conversation with God : APRIL 13/16
- New Zealand is my country and I’m not done with her yet!
New Zealand is my country and I’m not done with her yet!
God can we talk a bit more about this thing about Maori, Pakeha and the Land?
Do you really want to?
YES! That’s what I just said.
Well it’s just that normally when I bring up the subject you’re not pleased.
Yes but that’s because it’s a difficult subject and I’m out of my depth.
And I’ve often told you that you’re not out of your depth at all. You’re Pakeha which means you know half the story.
Ok, can we not argue about this please God? There are a couple of things about this subject that I want to raise with you.
Ok go ahead.
This seems pretty crazy God, you know what I’m going to ask anyway.
Yes I do.
Well why don’t you just tell me the answers and save me the problem of asking?
Do you do that with your kids, tell them the answers to questions before they even ask them?
Well yes I guess I do sometimes.
And what’s the problem with that approach?
Well I guess, now that you mention it, they’re not that interested in the answers to questions they haven’t asked yet. The answers seem a bit irrelevant to them because they haven’t felt any need to ask the question.
Exactly. It’s often better to wait till a person wants to know the answer before you give it to them.
Ok nice God, but can we just stick to the subject please?
Which one do you want to stick to?
Man!! (Shaking head and smiling) God you’re actually quite funny, you know that aye?
Actually yes, but it’s nice that you noticed. As it happens I invented humour, I am humour, we laugh a lot together. That’s something that Paul Young uncovered in The Shack. I like that book by the way, I like it a lot. Did you see what I did right there Mark??
Yes. You encouraged a number of my readers to unlike my page. There are I suppose, millions of Christians who DON’T like The Shack book God. So now they’ll think I’m deceived to think you said you like it. Thanks a million God!
Well do you like the book Mark?
Of course God, you know I love it. But it’s one thing for me to say I like it, but to think I hear you say that you like it! Many people will have issues with that God.
Mark people have always had issues with what I say. And while we’re on it, people will hate you for whatever they want to hate you for. They’ll hate you for the translation of the bible you quote from…
They already send me hate letters about that God! I get all sorts of grief for quoting from The Message. They say it means I’m deceived. Which is dumb because I quote from heaps of different translations.
Mark they’ll hate you for the music you listen to, for your turn of phrase, for the people you associate with. Some will hate you for going to church, others will hate you for not going. If someone doesn’t like what you’re doing they’ll find any number of reasons to justify their dislike. That’s just human nature Mark. It’s how I created you.
Well why did you?? Actually don’t answer that please God, I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS MAORI PAKEHA LAND THING. Can we stick to that please?
By all means, fire away Mark. I’ve got all day.
Ok so God people have a few issues with the things you’ve said. Actually I have pretty much the same issues.
Pakeha, Europeans like me.
Do you have the same issues?
Actually I do, but you know that already.
Yes I do, you’ve told me twice in quick succession, but I knew it long before that. Why don’t you explain those issues and then I’ll answer them.
Ok well God people say…
Which people say?
Pakeha, Europeans like me. But God I JUST told you that!!! Can you stop doing that?
Yes you did tell me that. I wanted you to hear yourself say it.
Say that the sort of people who have problems with what I’ve said are Pakeha, Europeans like yourself.
What’s your point God?
That people like you, Pakeha, Europeans like you have trouble with what I’ve said.
Well God it’s no surprise that we do.
Actually it is. It’s a surprise for a number of reasons.
What reasons God?
It’s a surprise that you personally have issues with the things I’ve said because I’ve said them through you.
Yes, but God you yourself know what it’s like to hear God say something but to have questions/issues with it.
What do you mean Mark?
Remember Gethsemane God?
Like it was this afternoon.
Which one of you said that?
All of us. We all remember it, like it was happening right now.
Ok wow. Umm sorry God. I think I stumbled onto a subject I shouldn’t have. I’m feeling a bit on edge, a bit humbled, a bit overawed God.
Not at all. We love to talk about it, we did it for you remember.
Ok. But can we leave that for another conversation God?
Mark it’s in every conversation. The fact that you can even have a conversation with us. Gethsemane is about that.
(Not really able to continue, feeling overwhelmed, like they pulled back the curtain on heaven. Not sure what to say or do.)
Oi Mark! It’s ok remember.
Remember what God? What’s ok??
Remember the verse – you can come boldly into the throne of grace. That’s the throne that engineered and yet was built by Gethsemane.
Engineered it, and yet was built by it?
Man! Ok, umm shall we keep talking about the Maori Pakeha Land thing God or shall I drop this?
By all means. I’d like to if you would.
Yes I would. People have issues, and before you ask again, yes they’re people like me. Europeans, Pakeha.
Good. Carry on. Why do they have issues?
Well God it’s not just them, it’s me too.
Yes indeed, you Europeans, you Pakeha do have issues with the things I’m saying. And Mark remember I’m not on anyone’s side, not on the Maori side, or the Pakeha side. But if you’re not on my side on an issue, then it will often feel that I’m not on yours. And of course I’m not on your side, not just your side anyway, I’m on everyone’s side.
Ok God. Well the issue that a lot of us Pakeha have with what you’re saying is that we feel like it’s time to move on. New Zealand is facing a whole bunch of issues, we’re 150 years plus on now from all the Maori and Pakeha stuff that happened on this land.
You’re missing something Mark. New Zealand doesn’t belong to you. Not to any people. What’s right for this nation is my decision, not yours. It’s not up to you Christians, nor the politicians, nor the man in the street to decide what’s right for this place. That’s my decision.
God you almost sound a bit cross?
No. Not cross. Protective. This is my land. This is something that most of you Christians have missed. You think I’m a cross God, but actually I’m not, but there is something that I’m very protective about.
People and the land.
Why the land. It’s just the land isn’t it?
Careful Mark. Tread carefully. Walk carefully on the land. Remember what I said to Cain – “Listen, his blood cries out to me from the land.”
What’s the relevance God?
The land is alive. The land is the platform I created as a home for you, a home on which you could discover and test and experiment with life and with a back and forth conversation with me. A place on which to do the things I designed you for.
Ok umm I’m not really sure where to go with this conversation anymore God.
Go where you want.
Well I wanted to ask about the fact that we, well a lot of us think that it’s time to move on.
But you just said it’s not.
No I didn’t. I said that it’s predictable that you Pakeha would all think what you do. You don’t like the idea that I would want to talk about what happened between you and Maori hundreds of years ago. And that’s very predictable. That’s all I said.
Ok well us Europeans can’t help thinking that it’s a bad idea to look back on what has happened.
It’s not a bad idea at all. It’s a very important idea. Very scriptural. Very biblical. Kings who overlook what has happened, who ride roughshod over past harm do so at their own peril and at the peril of their country.
Now I’m confused! You said we need to move on.
Yes I did.
But that it’s a good idea to look backwards, to consider what has happened, in this case the harm done by Pakeha to Maori??
And the harm they did to you and to each other.
Oh man God this story is getting worse. Now Maori will be cross with me too.
You might as well face it Mark. This is not an easy issue to negotiate, whether you’re Maori or Pakeha, this is not a simple matter. And if you can’t hear what I’m saying you’re NEVER going to get it solved. Mark what’s the second thing you wanted to talk about regarding Maori Pakeha and the land?
Ok, well it’s what’s happening right here. It’s happening again. YOU’RE doing it again God. You’re talking about all kinds of issues that will get me in all kinds of trouble. One minute you say we should look forward, then you say we should look backward and then you talk about the harm Maori have done to us. Now Maori will be cross with me too! We started this conversation talking about how Pakeha have big questions about the things you say to me about all this.
And you have questions too.
Yes ok I do. Often they’re pretty much the same questions. We started talking about that, I wanted to talk about the fact that Pakeha, me included, have questions about what you’re saying about Maori Pakeha and the land.
Why? Why did you want to talk about that?
Because I wanted some answers that would make Pakeha happier maybe, or maybe answers that would help me explain why you’re saying things that make it sound like we should live in the past.
You don’t like that do you Mark?
No. No we don’t because we can see we need to live in the now and plan for the future.
Yes. Actually Maori can see that too?
Really. How do you think they got from where they came from to here? They set out on a voyage of discovery. They had their very practical reasons, but they set out to discover a solution to problems. That’s very forward thinking. Not living in the past, but actually planning ways to solve problems and taking very courageous action. And of course they heard me urging them to go. I wanted them here on this land. They had a date with you. A date that you both messed up. But a date that’s not over yet.
Ok but now you’re saying things that will make Maori unhappy with me too. Now I’m stuck in the middle.
Is that the only issue?
Well no, tell me about why you want us to look backward and yet move forward?
Because you cannot move forward without looking backward. Ok Mark I’ll explain it. You Pakeha want to talk about the fact that there are a whole new bunch of issues for this country to consider. All sorts of new peoples are arriving and bringing opportunities, solutions, but also problems too if you don’t learn to welcome and accommodate them. And what I’m saying is simple. If you don’t figure out the issues this nation was founded on, and the ones it was actually MEANT to be founded on, then you’ll never be able to move forward as one people and add new people meaningfully to your fold.
But God they’re coming anyway these new people. It doesn’t matter whether we know how to welcome them nor not, they’re coming.
Yes and you need them to Mark. You need them and they need you. Sound familiar Mark?
Yes. It’s what you said about to me months ago about us Pakeha and Maori.
Yes. You need them and they need you. And once you’ve put that together, Maori and Pakeha, then you, one people made up of two separate peoples, vastly different but now the same. The same in very different ways… Do you like that Mark, the assembling of two peoples is very poetic; poetry, rhythm, music, dance and art, and language emerge from the merging. Nothing is lost, much is gained.
Not sure what to say now God?
Keep talking Mark. You’re welcome here. We want this discussion. You’re very welcome here.
Ok. Well what are you saying? Summarise it, simplify it for me. There’s so much you’re saying I’m not sure how to see it.
See it like this. Your two peoples need to be one, yet two. So that you can welcome more peoples. Yes those peoples are already coming, but largely unwelcomed by the two of your peoples. Not welcomed spiritually, not in the spirit. The Angel over this country, the principalities and powers, good and bad over this land wait to see what will happen. Those that are good are wanting to establish the power of the relationship that was supposed to exist between the two of you, Maori and Pakeha, but doesn’t. Doesn’t exist but should and still can. The reason is not to look back. The reason is to look and move forward. To move forward in the way I want this country to move you will need to ASK ME about what to do about the past. That’s what’s missing Mark. Both groups…
You mean Maori and Pakeha?
No, now we’re talking about two different groups - those who want to ignore the Maori and Pakeha issues on this land – and those who want to return to those issues – both groups, both of you are missing something.
You’re missing the fact that you need to ask me. You both have your passions, your reasons for what you believe is important, whether it’s to move one, or look backward, both of you forget to ask me. You focus on what you believe and you demand I back your beliefs rather than asking me what I want. This is my country Mark and I’m not done with it yet. If I want you to revisit those things that have gone before, then what of it?
And if I want you to look and move forward, what of that?? This is my country and I’m not done with her yet. Not by a long shot Mark. It’s time you Christians heard what I had to say about that. If you don’t then I will explain it, as I have so often done before, to those who do not count themselves among you. Hah! But how can you hear? You Christians do not know how to listen. You know all about me, but not how to hear me. Will someone teach you to listen? Will anyone teach you??
CONVERSATION WITH gOD: aPRIL 2/16
- Demons, dark things and other blimmen nuisances.
Demons, dark things and other blimmen nuisances.
God I think you’re wanting to talk about the demon thing, about seeing demons etc?
What do you want to say?
You can see them Mark.
Yes but not very often God?
You’ll get better at it.
So a friend told me I can ask you to turn up the volume on my ability to see in the invisible world?
Why of course?
Because if you can’t see what you’re up against it will get you.
You said that?
I said it.
Ok so I just ask you to turn up the volume on what I can see in the invisible world?
Yes. It will give you more faith.
Ok so God here goes… can you turn up the volume on what I can see in the invisible world? Is that the correct question?
Oh no!! For goodness sake God!! Now I’m just imagining things... Did I honestly just see a black face peering in the door of my truck or did I make that up?
Yes you saw it.
GOD?? Come on level with me please!!
Ok if I really saw what I saw, was it good or bad?
Mark you saw it. You tell me, did you think it was good or bad?
Well it gave me the creeps, sort of like that demon I saw on the way to Whangamata that time. I can’t believe I just said that - I’m making myself sound like a looney.
Yes it was like that demon. They’re all very interested in what you’re up to. All the time.
Shall I tell it to bugger off?
Bugger off you.
Did you see it punched backwards?
Yes I did God. But I was just being flippant when I asked you if I should tell it to bugger off. I’m going to get all sorts of flak from religious people for telling demons to ‘bugger off’ and then thinking I can see them being punched backwards.
It’s what you saw.
What on earth have I got myself into here God?? I’m not making this up right? I mean I can’t see any other… oh no!! I think I just saw a huge black face coming up out of Hamilton Lake and peering at me over the rushes? It would have been 20-30 feet wide? Did I honestly see that God? This is completely weird - like something out of Lord of the Rings or something.
Yes. Of course you saw it. Tolkien and Lewis understood what was really going on. I’ve told you that before.
GOD come on please! People are going to say I’m losing my marbles!!
Well you’re not.
But God it seems like I can block these things out - choose to see them or not - I’m not seeing that big black face anymore.
Yes you can block them out.
God I’m beginning to realise this is a conversation you want me to publish and the last thing I need is people reading I think I can see huge black demons. People get locked up for less. I’ve already been publically labelled as a false prophet.
Mark you’re in good company. Men and women I have used for decades are listed along with you. I was labelled a false prophet too. Get over it.
Ok but God really? This stuff I suddenly think I can see, it’s all a bit like some fairy tale.
Well you can see them.
You’re not being much help here God!
I did say you might not be happy if I turned up the volume on your ability to see the invisible world.
Yes but I thought that was because it might be scary – and that’s the weirdest thing, it’s not scary at all - it’s all a bit ridiculous.
They are ridiculous Mark. They are constantly attempting to harm me and my plans, constantly looking to destroy all of humanity. As I said ridiculous.
Why is that ridiculous?
Because they are far more aware of me than you are, and yet they are still completely committed to destroying all my plans. Pointless, impossible and ridiculous.
God I thought we’re not supposed to bring a ‘railing judgement’ against spiritual powers?
That’s not a railing judgement, it’s truth. And anyway, it was me, not you. Now, back to your question.
Which question? Oh… you mean that it seems like I’m imagining these demons because I can shut them out or see them at will??
You’re not imagining them Mark, you’re seeing them. You can decide whether to open or shut those eyes.
Well which am I supposed to do?
Whichever you want.
I want what you want. Is it better that I can see them, or that I block them out?
Mark for the most part it’s better that you see them. Better that you look for them.
Did you say that I should look for the ones YOU WANT ME TO SEE?
Absolutely. You cannot hope to see all of them. That would be like looking through a school of teaming fish. The air is thick with them Mark.
So why do you want me to see some and not others?
I want you to see the ones that need dealing with.
God on the way home from Hamilton did you say that seeing their intent is another skill you want me to develop, and that it’s a skill that is best developed without actually seeing their form?
No not quite. I’m saying it’s a separate skill, whether you can see their form or not, seeing their intent is an entirely different skill.
So ok what are you saying? I’m a bit lost here God, not sure where you’re going with this.
Mark I’m saying that you need to be very practised at dealing with them.
So you want me to practise attacking them whenever possible?
Yes I do. Look for them. Ask me to show you the ones that need dealing with. Sometimes instead of their form, I’ll show you their intent which is invisible. The truly invisible part of the invisible world is the intent of the invisible being. Does that make sense to you? Say it over.
Ok. The truly invisible part… you mean more invisible than the other parts?
Yes. As you’ve just experienced you can see the invisible when you ask me and attempt to do so. But their intent is really invisible. It’s like a human’s intent, you cannot see it because it has no form. Intent is a motivation or a choice, not a thing. And yet you can even see their intent, their invisible intent, if you ask.
Ok so ‘the truly invisible part of the invisible world is the intent of the invisible being. Yeah?
Can I just butt in here God?? Those people who grizzle that I’m a false prophet – can you imagine how they’ll react when they read that I think you said ‘Yeah’??
I don’t have to imagine it Mark, I already know exactly how they’ll react, have known since before time began.
The most important part of the invisible world, the part that cannot be defined in visual terms is their intent. You also need to know their names and their visual form, but more important than everything else is their intent. When you know their intent you can block them, fight them, push them back and pull them down.
Is this honestly you God? I mean this is way out of my league. I do NOT want to be making this up.
Does it feel like me?
It feels like you. But it also feels way out of my league.
Actually it’s not out of your league at all. You are already a big guy in this league. You are not very aware of them yet, but they are very scared of you.
Can we not talk like that please God?!? People read this and it seems very dorky to talk about myself like that. Arrogant and proud!
It’s not you talking about yourself, it’s me. Don’t you praise your own sons?
Yes. Maybe not enough?
Well I don’t make that mistake Mark, I DO praise mine. And anyway, the people who read this are also big guys and girls in this league. If they are having a back and forward conversation with me they’re in the big league too. That’s why the enemy attacked Eve with confusion and doubt. She was having a conversation, she and Adam were both having ongoing conversation with me, back and forward like friends.
Satan had just begun to realise how damaging that was going to be for his plans so he needed to shut them down. He had thought he understood everything, he thought he was next to me. He hadn’t realised that you humans had been given a relationship with me that he could not hope to emulate. Even before he fell, he was never going to be a human, nor experience a human relationship with me.
God now we’re talking theology! I have no idea whether that’s true of him. How could I know that?
Easily. Ask me. And in a way you just have. I’ll tell you what you need to know. As it happens I know ALL things Mark. When he witnessed the conversations between Adam, Eve and I, Satan realised the danger he was in.
How did he recognise the danger, what about the conversations with you told him he was in danger?
He could feel and see the power pulsing off of them. The same thing is true with anyone who has a conversation today. Praying at me is much safer for the enemy. He wants you to keep that up. It’s not as nice for him as no association with me at all, but it’s a lot safer and more bearable for the dark forces than when a human starts up a back and forward conversation with me. MUCH more bearable.
Because the stuff I say is the most powerful. In a proper conversation with me, as opposed to praying at me, I get to do a lot of the talking. Praying is ok, it invokes my presence, it brings me, but it does not allow me to do much talking. But if you have a conversation then you get to hear me and the things I say bring the power to the situation. Power you cannot see, but he can. And then, and here’s the real secret Mark, you’re going to really like this… when the power begins to arc up from the words I say, and everything I say brings power ‘the words that I have spoken to you have cleaned you’, when the power begins to pulse off what I say, then what the human says back suddenly gains HUGE power too.
How come God?
Simple. When you hear me speak it brings faith. And faith gives you power, power that terrifies Satan and all his dark forces.
How can I possibly even know if that’s true?
Easy. You ask me and believe what I speak direct into your mind. And of course the bible is full of it too; ‘And faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes as a consequence of a rhema word from God.’ A ‘Rhema’ word means something spoken by the spirit direct into your heart Mark.
God that’s not exactly what it says in my translation.
It is what the original suggested Mark. Have a look at the Greek.
It’s time you got to know more about the dark forces Mark. You need to see them, know their names, but most important, to know their intent. When you know what they want to do you can stop them doing it.
How do I stop them doing it?
You tell them to stop. They have to do what you say.
Why do they have to do what I say?
Because you’re human.
But what about the guy (or guys?) in Acts who the demons told they didn’t recognise their authority when they tried to cast them out?
They were doing it as a way to make money.
So if any one makes money while they’re trying to cast out demons it won’t work?
No that’s not what I’m saying. Many people who cast out demons get paid for their work. And a good number of them should.
Then I don’t understand – you can be very confusing God!
Actually you do understand Mark. The key is to hear me, listening to me is the only rule. If you hear me tell you to hunt for, or cast them out then you’re safe.
But God does everyone whose job includes casting out demons really honestly hear you tell them to hunt for that demon? I suspect there are many pastors who don’t actually know how to hear you fluently, may even be in the wrong job? I mean that’s easy enough done for a human.
Yes it is, and you’re right, but if their intent is right, if they’re trying to hear me, trying to do what I want. Even if it’s not what I want. If it’s what they think I want, then it’s more likely to work than what those men in Acts were up to. It’s their intent that matters. The intent is the most powerful.
Does that mean we have to hone and work on and improve our intent?
No. That’s religion. If you decide you want to do what I want, that’s all that’s required. I’m not constantly watching you to see if your intent is pure. I’m watching you to protect you, I’m watching you because I love you. I’m watching you because I’m hoping for conversation. Those people who think I’m watching everyone to make sure they don’t put a foot out of line, don’t they know that I knew everything you would do before time began? Think about that Mark. And if they insist on believing that of me, what sort of parents will they themselves become?
I’m not a harsh parent, I’m not looking to see you falter or to spot a drop in the quality of your intent. I know you’re human. I know there are days when you’d like to do anything else but what I want. That’s ok. It’s your general intent that matters. Of course there are days and moments when you’re not sure, that’s humanity. But if you’re serious enough about this to tell yourself that you’re trying to follow me, then you’re serious.
CONVERSATION WITH gOD: jAN 8/16
- You cannot set out on a mystical journey, a trip dictated by the silent voice, and then expect to complete the journey listening to your own or other minds.
You cannot set out on a mystical journey, a trip dictated by the silent voice, and then expect to complete the journey listening to your own or other minds.
God I’ve got a good friend who spends his whole life asking you for the next step in his journey but you are just about driving him mad.
Because you avoid his questions and talk instead about other things. You won’t answer his question. What’s he supposed to do? Come on God you need to give him some answers.
Mark your friend needs to listen.
That makes it sound like he’s not listening already??
He’s definitely listening to me. There’s no problem there. Listen carefully Mark – this is a mystery that both your friend, and you and others like you need to hear.
So why say he needs to listen to you if he already is?
For that very reason. He needs to listen to me because he already IS listening to me.
WHAT?? God can you try and make sense please.
He already is listening to me Mark, he’s made that commitment, he’s chosen that way.
Yes and God??
Which means he needs to listen more. He has no choice now - other than to continue listening. That’s true by definition, by logic, by sequential and ‘next-obvious-step’ thought.
Meaning you humans have two choices. You can lead a life listening to your own counsel, yours and others. You can listen to common sense, yours and others, or you can listen to me.
And you’re saying my friend is already listening to you?
Yes. You know he is.
So why say he needs to listen to you?
If he’s already listening to me he has no choice other than to keep doing so. He is now on a course brought about by listening to me, so he has no option other than to listen to me for the next step. The next sequentially obvious, logical, rational step in this journey can only come from listening to me.
You cannot set out on a mystical journey, a trip dictated by the silent voice, and then expect to complete the journey listening to your own or other minds. Won’t work. If you start the journey listening to me you’re going to have to complete it that way. No choice. If he wants to change the rules he’ll have to go back to where his current journey started. I don’t mean his Christian journey, I mean the journey where he decided to live his life listening to me. There is a difference Mark. Most Christians lead their lives listening to their own and others counsel, not mine. Yes the counsel they listen to is often godly, but it isn’t God.
However your friend is one of the few who have decided to be as you put it, mad enough to listen to my silent voice for everything he does, not just the spiritual stuff but the doing life decisions too. So now he has no choice other than to keep listening. Anyone can see that.
He must keep listening or go back to the place he stopped listening to his own and others’ counsel and started listening to me. Anyone can see that’s the case, even an atheist can tell you that. And Mark this isn’t just for your friend, it’s for you. For you and anyone else ‘mad enough’ to break the modern ‘Christian’ model and give their life to listening to me. It’s a theological, doctrinal, spiritual, logical, real-time, real-life fact. Just saying.
Because you and your friend and others like you – you like me ‘just saying’.
Well okay God but as my friend and I both agreed the other night that sort of talk from you is VERY frustrating.
Because although you just said a lot, a lot of specific statements, there’s no real clear conclusion one can take from anything you said. There’s NOTHING at all to tell my friend what he should do next.
Actually, although criticism is far from me, I have to disagree Mark. There is SO much in what I just said, so many real clear conclusions, so much to tell you BOTH what you should do next. In fact what I just said is so world-shifting, doctrine and theology shattering that generation after generation, century after century, millennia after millennia of brilliant men studying hard have never managed to uncover it. And they won’t. Neither can they. Because truth Mark, the truth that matters comes swiftly, and slowly too – it comes silently, treading softly, and yet it comes playing a full marching tune.
What the heck God??
Listen Mark. There is truth here that theologians would give their whole lives, have done so, to learn. They have missed it, and yet here I am flipping it to the two of you and whoever else wants to hear it. Plopping it down in your midst just because you decided to have a conversation with me on wet Friday holiday afternoon.
Ok. I can feel it God, but I can’t see it. What is this truth you’re saying you’re flipping to us, plopping down in front of us?
You think, you and millions of others deceived by his disgusting lies, that you ask me a question and that I then keep you waiting. That I do it to test you, or to build you somehow. Religion has fooled you to think that I will answer, if at all, ‘in the sweet bye and bye’, but that is NOT scriptural. Not at all. The point, the real truth is diametrically opposed to that nonsense. Here’s how it really works; You ask me a question and I hear you immediately and I answer immediately.
AND. IF. YOU. TAKE. THE. TIME. TO. PUT. SHAPE. ON. MY. ANSWER. YOU. WILL. HEAR. IT. INSTANTLY.
So what are you saying God? Are you saying that my friend isn’t taking the time?
Not at all. He’s taking the time. But like you he so often looks for the answer he is looking for. That’s ok. That’s the lie that Religion, Church and organised Christianity has taught you. You and millions of others think you have left all that behind but look again - the Demon Religion has his tentacles around your feet and your neck and your mouth.
You ask a question about your future and because the answer doesn’t seem to mirror your question you think I haven’t answered. Because my answer doesn’t sound like an answer you think I am deaf to you.
Not so Mark. I have answered. Instantly! You, the two of you, and many like you are miles ahead of the crowd. If you know how to listen you are miles ahead. If you know that I speak you are miles ahead. If you know to expect to hear, if you know that your mess is irrelevant to your ability to hear then you are light years ahead. And you do. You know all that already.
And how have you learned that? You have learned those world shattering, Religion-killing truths when you have asked about something completely different. Those are truths that thousands of theologians and pastors and teachers have completely missed. They have searched for those things for centuries and yet you have heard them instantly when you have asked a seemingly completely different question. When you have asked about something else, I have told you those things.
Is that because you’re not interested in our original question?
Not at all. Those ARE the answers to your original questions. The truth I am unfolding here for you in this conversation is that the answer to your question is the answer EVEN IF IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR QUESTION. It is still the answer. It is really the answer.
This is mystical Mark, a riddle and yet truth in plain sight. You like a mystery. This is one, but a simple one. If I tell you that you can hear me, and that your hearing is irrespective of your moral state, then that’s actually the answer to your question – even if your question was ‘What do you want me to do with my life God?’
If you trusted me to provide for you then you’d be able to hear me speak the earth shattering truths I want to speak before we get up and deal with the next pressing need in your life. I know whether it’s pressing, I know how pressing it is, far better than you do, and I’ll tell you what to do about it if you stay in conversation with me.
The bible points out that I care enough to respond to those who seek me. When you ask a question you open up the heart of God for you and it begins to pour out all over you. Fellowship, relationship, interaction. A conversation Mark, by definition allows the other to talk about what they want to talk about, to answer your question the way they want to. Sometimes I’m answering your question direct, sometimes I’m laying the foundation on which I can tell you what I want to tell you. But the answer I give you is the answer to your question. I am NOT changing the subject, I have too much respect for you, am too polite to do that.
There’s something I can hear you trying to say??
Yes. I just want conversation. The conversation is for my purposes AND yours. We’ll do this together. When I don’t appear to answer that’s not because I haven’t it’s because of one of two things – either you’re not listening, or you are listening and you hear the answer but it doesn’t sound like what you want me to say.
Is that enough?
CONVERSATION WITH GOD: JAN 20/16
- How to run your business or your job in conversation with God.
How to run your business or your job in conversation with God.
God is it possible for a person to run their business or organise their job listening to you? Is it even practical?
Mark I have a question for you. Is it possible for someone to run their business or organise their job if they DON’T listen to me?
Well God the most successful people don’t seem to give a hoot about what you think when they are running their businesses? They never ask you.
Really what God??
Do they REALLY never wonder what I think? And while we’re at it, are they REALLY the most successful people you know?
What are you trying to say God?
I’m saying there is more going on in the unseen world than you realise.
You mean our businesses and our jobs are directly linked to and affect the unseen world?
Of course. You are creators. What you do affects everything. And everything affects what you do.
I think you’ll need to expand on that a bit. My brain hurts trying to figure out what you’re saying.
Mark this is what Baxter Kruger teaches about the doctrine of separation that has crept unnoticed into many modern churches. It’s the very same nonsense that the Pharisees used to control the Jews.
Explain please God.
‘Separation’ is the teaching that you are separated from God and can only be joined to him by prayer and repentance and constantly working at ridding yourselves of your sin.
Well isn’t that true??
No it’s not. We are not separated Mark. I have been close to you, watching you, loving you, protecting you since before you were conceived. I have known everything about you since before time began. I am with you.
The Separation lie is that you need to earn your way to me, improve your conduct before we can talk, but it’s a lie. The bible makes it very clear that your own righteousness is pointless, I love you already.
‘Your righteousness is as filthy rags.’ Isaiah 64:6
‘[He is] a friend of sinners’ Matthew 11:19
I don’t want you to earn your way to me. I have already come to you. I want you to accept that I am in you already and wanting to give you specific day to day advice in your business or your job. No matter who you are, no matter how unworthy you feel.
The enemy teaches you to feel unworthy and to feel the need to do all sorts of penitence to be forgiven. He has turned the cross into a symbol of condemnation, one that encourages grovelling penance but it was supposed to be a symbol of acceptance. A sign that I already accept you knowing full well that your life is far from perfect. Do not try and earn my acceptance. I want you to accept that I accept you.
"Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." Luke 23:34
“Then he [the thief] said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Luke 23:40
Religion teaches that the unseen world and the physical world are completely separate and have little minute by minute effect on each other. But actually the seen world and unseen world are interdependent and constantly affecting each other. Your business or job is affecting the unseen world second by second, and the unseen world is effecting your business or job at the same rate.
Ok well this is a bit frustrating God… so are you saying it IS practical to try and run a business or job listening to you or not?
That’s what I’m saying.
Ok in that case I’d like to know how to do that.
Well what God?
Well what do you want to know?
Man God!! It’s almost as though you’re making a concerted effort to be difficult. I just told you! I want to know how to run my business listening to you.
Mark if you want to run your business listening to me you need to ask me questions and expect specific answers in full sentences and paragraphs. So you need to figure out what you want to know and ask me.
What sort of questions should I ask?
What do you want to know?
Ok I’d like to know how to use my time more effectively. How can I spend less hours working and achieve more in the hours that I do work?
That’s easy enough.
But God I’ve been trying all my life to achieve that.
Yes you have. But you haven’t really achieved it have you??
Is it even possible God??
It’s VERY possible. It’s a key secret to a more productive lifestyle.
Then how on earth do I achieve it?
Listen to me.
But God I’ve been trying to achieve this for about 25 years. I’ve prayed a lot of prayers to you during that time.
Yes you have prayed a lot and I’ve heard. But have you heard me? Mark you have ONLY JUST STARTED having back and forward conversations with me. Only just learned to hear me specifically like this. Only now are you able to hear me in full sentences and paragraphs. Which is fine. I’m patient. So now you’re hearing me like this, let’s discuss how it’s done.
Running your business or your job while listening to me, in conversation with me.
God I thought you were going to say ‘in partnership’ with you, but instead you were very specific about wanting me to write ‘in conversation’. Why?
Because Religion has taught you that if you declare God is your business partner then that is a close relationship with God in your business. But it’s very often not, if often sees me become the silent partner for the very simple reason that I appear silent in the rest of your life. But I’m not Mark.
Yes. I’m discovering that.
He has convinced you that I am silent, but I’m certainly not. I am the talking God. So if you want to involve me in your business DO NOT think of me as a partner. I don’t need to own part of your business anyway Mark, I’m happy for you own it. I don’t need your money, you need mine. Instead of thinking of me as a partner, think of me as a fellow worker, a consultant, a coach.
But I thought it would be good to have you as a partner God??
Yes it would but the concept has been sullied by Religion, he has his filthy fingers in everything. You need to wake up to that. He’s there working to pervert every concept. The idea of ‘God as a partner in your business’ has become one that emphasises the separation between you and me whilst pretending to encourage a closer relationship between us. It sees me for the most part like a ‘silent’ partner.
That Mark is the story of millions of Christian owned businesses throughout the world. The ownership is given over to me in theory, but the direction from me is almost never there. Not for the want of trying. The owners of those Christian businesses genuinely want me to give direction, and I do give it.
So where’s the problem God?
They don’t know how to hear the directions I give. No one has taught them to hear my voice on a daily, hour by hour basis. Christian business owners and workers everywhere find that although they WANT direction from me daily they have to rely on other humans for that because in their experience I don’t speak often. These conversations you and I are having are either complete fabrication or available for anyone. You’ve done nothing to deserve them. You are no more ‘righteous’ now than you have ever been. Your life is still fraught with imperfections and problems. You still cause others pain. Either you’re making these conversations up or this is me speaking. Which is it Mark?
Yes. Good. But your verdict on this matter is of no importance to your readers. Let them decide for themselves. Are these conversations me or not? Because if this is me then the obvious conclusion is that they too can converse with me just as freely as you are doing now. It’s one thing to read your conversations and get blessed, but far more powerful for them to have their own.
Urge them to have their own Mark. Urge them to talk back and forward with me themselves. If they do it will set them free.
Tell them I want to be involved in their businesses or their jobs. I want them to talk to me at the level they would talk to a coach, a consultant, a fellow team member, a member of staff. Talk to me in detail and expect detailed answers. Write my answers down so you can read them often. The bible says my word is in your mouth – speak out the answers I give you, speak them out and write them down.
Write your questions and write my answers and then act on them. Go back and study them. Put one conversation with me about your business along side another, and then another and see the places they connect. Ask me for oversight and overview and even more direction. Ask and ask and keep on asking expecting layer upon layer of detail. Expect it and you’ll get it Mark.
CONVERSATION WITH GOD: JAN 25/16
- SPIRITUAL WARFARE
Feeling beaten up, bloodied and fighting blindfolded.
How can you fight a winning battle if your comms with HQ are patchy and often silent??
God I’m feeling a bit anxious, worried about a few things, not sure why.
You’re getting beaten up.
Because you’re human.
What’s that got to do with anything?
He hates you humans and picks on you.
Because you carry the promise - you’re what creation is all about. And yes Mark you’re hearing me.
God this sounds horribly religious – much too Churchy for me. I hope you don’t mind me saying but I get a bit uncomfortable when Christians carry on about the devil and how he’s causing them this problem and that. I’m not sure they really have any idea what they’re talking about. I could be wrong, but that’s just how I think somehow.
Many of them don’t really understand what they’re saying Mark. Some do, but many don’t. Most fight blind. They make assumptions about what the enemy is up to, but they don’t ask me for specific detail. That sort of approach is dangerous when dealing with an enemy who is committed to your destruction.
So why are you are talking like them God? Why say I’m being beaten up by Satan?
Because you are. There are billions of demons Mark and everyone, Christian or not, is constantly being influenced, herded and sometimes even controlled by them. I want you to see a picture Mark – it’s a picture of all of humanity, whatever they do or don’t believe, you’re all like prisoners in a massive prison camp. Can you see the picture Mark??
All of us God?? Are you sure? There are Christians who’ll want to stone me for saying I heard you say that!!
Hear me out Mark.
Ok alright. So we’re all getting beaten up? Really??
Really, but some of you a LOT more than others. Some are just herded along in the general direction your enemy wants you to go.
So God why are some getting beaten up, some of them quite viciously, and others just herded?
Mark I want you to look at the picture again. See how all of humanity is being herded along in a great throng? See them Mark, see every single human, no matter what they believe, herded along in a great wailing, groaning throng.
Ok I can see it, but it’s not going to be very politically correct in Christian circles God!?!
Of course not. Now tell me why do the invisible guards in the picture pick on certain prisoners and just herd the rest along?
Well I’m guessing God but I think there are number of reasons?
What are the reasons?
Well if they make an example of some of the prisoners by beating them brutally then the rest will be too afraid to rebel, they’ll stay submissive and easier to manage?
Yes you’re right so far, what else?
Well I think it looks as though sometimes the guards brutalise a prisoner just because they are so consumed by hate that they strike out in hate and anger at whoever attracts their attention or annoys them, even if it’s just a child. Man God!! Is this really for real? Is this really happening??
Yes and there’s another even more obvious reason, it’s not so common but it’s the one that provokes the invisible guards to their greatest heights of cruelty. What is it Mark?
God I think you’re saying it’s when a prisoner wilfully stands up and refuses to be herded along with all the others. The prisoners who get the most vicious attacks are those who stand and shout ‘NO!’ and refuse to go along with what the guards want. Those prisoners, the ones who revolt are the ones the guards punish and kill?
That’s exactly what I’m saying Mark. I have another question for you Mark.
Ok God what is it?
What have I told you about the devil and his plans for people who decide they want a conversation with me?
They incite him to great anger God. He hates them with a passion, he singles them out for the most ferocious attacks.
Exactly. When you choose a conversation with me you turn and walk against the tide of all humanity Mark. All of humanity, no matter what they believe, are walking in a similar direction.
Christians won’t like you saying that God.
You need to get over yourselves and stop being so precious. So you have faults! I defy any Christian to hear me say otherwise. All of humanity, no matter what their beliefs, are walking in a direction that says that God does not often speak. I defy them to look at normal born again Christianity and tell me that it’s the norm to hear from me regularly, day in day out. Everyone knows it’s not. So when any person decides to try a back and forth conversation with me they immediately attract the brutal anger of Satan. He MUST stop you and shut you down before others see what you’re doing and try it too.
So what shall I do God?
First I want you to see what’s going on here Mark. If you try a conversation with me you will reap the rewards of doing so.
Did you say the good rewards AND the bad rewards?
That’s what I said. Anyone who wants an actual back and forth conversation with me, not just prayer, WILL ALWAYS be under attack, more vicious than most suffer. But you will also have more strength, more ability to hear me and see me explain how to fight so that you see each battle coming and you are able to win it.
I have promised I won’t let you suffer an attack stronger than you are capable of fighting. That works both ways Mark. The stronger you get the stronger the attack I will allow to come your way. Are you up for this Mark?
I can’t see a lot of choice in the matter God.
Ignore what he says Mark. He’s just showing off. Ignore him you’re just fine. Tell others that too. If they try a conversation with me they will attract his anger, but they will also, if they continue the conversation, be able to see what he’s up to and know how to fight effectively. Just carry on with your life and the things you and I are doing. Carry on and ignore him. You’ll become very practised at shutting out his rubbish.
Ok so what do I do about getting beaten up?
Don’t be what?
Don’t be beaten up.
But how can I avoid it God? I thought it was unavoidable. I thought he’s always picking on us?
He is, but you don’t have to put up with it. Mark the problem is that you don’t do anything until after you’ve been attacked. You don’t get started fighting until after he’s beaten you up. You Christians are too precious and nice when it comes to your enemy. Even when you do see him coming, which isn’t often, you fight a defensive battle. But you need to start running at him. If you want to do that you’ll have to be watching for him. Constantly.
The reason you get so bruised and beaten is that you’re not even aware anything’s wrong until you’re already in the thick of the battle, or worse, until after the battle is over and you’re wounded and staggering. It’s only then that you come to me for help. You realise you’re feeling out of sorts, anxious, worried, a little fearful. You’re unsure why, so you ask me, and I tell you that you’ve been attacked.
It’s not the way you should be acting. It is not the way of a seasoned soldier to be taken by surprise. If a soldier spends most of his time fighting his way out of ambushes, or even worse if he only starts fighting after the ambush is over then he will always be fighting at his weakest and getting weaker.
So what do I do God? How can I be ready? How can I see it coming?
It’s always coming Mark. It is ALWAYS COMING! He is constantly engaged in your demise, always involved in diminishing your confidence. He hates you remember. He is committed to this battle, constantly conscious that you’re there and extremely dangerous to him. He’s always looking for ways to trip you up. A word here, a worry there and he’s got you. Got you stumbling backwards, tripping over the things and the people you love. He NEVER lets up Mark, absolutely never. He has billions of soldiers, more than you do, there are more invisible soldiers of darkness than there are humans. And each of them is actively and consciously engaged in your destruction – yours and everything you love.
Then how come we’re not all dead?
Because you are incredibly powerful, much more powerful than you think.
God if we’re so powerful how come we don’t just win the fight?
Because you’re not fighting. Your power is accidental and unfocused. You don’t even realise you have it so you don’t use it to your advantage. He has you all running around worried you’re too sinful to fight him. It’s a brilliant strategy - for the most part you don’t even try and fight. Be honest with yourselves Mark, for the most part, on a day to day basis, you Christians don’t even know you’re in a fight.
That’s a bit tough God!! I’ve heard lots of Christians say things like ‘fight the good fight’ and talk about how we’re in a battle.
Yes you all do that. You know the theory, but you don’t see how the battle is being waged in your own day to day lives. You have believed his propaganda. He lies to you that his main attack is to tempt you to commit naughty sins. If only it was that simple Mark! He is far more subtle than that. He’s not focused on getting you to commit sins, he’s much more interested in convincing you that you’re already sinful.
But we are God!!
Mark read the story of Zacheaus and the woman who washed my feet. So few of you understand my true nature. He convinces you that you will never amount to much, that you’ve lost your focus, that you won’t succeed like others do, that you’re not very loveable etc etc. He spends a lot more time telling you that you’re sinful than he does tempting you to sin. He doesn’t really care too much about your actions, he’s MUCH MORE interested in the way you think about yourself. He has convinced you that your thoughts about others are the key, but actually it’s your negative thinking about yourself that controls you and for that reason he is constantly telling you what’s wrong with you.
Ok so I give up, what should we do? How do we fight this??
Don’t give up!! The way to fight him is simple - don’t give up. The problem is that you’re either not aware that you’re fighting, or you’re wanting to give up. But he’s neither. He’s very aware, always involved, always looking for a way to destroy you, and he will NEVER give up. He’s weaker than you, but you make him more powerful because you fight blindfolded.
REALLY GOD? What do you mean we fight blindfolded?
You are not looking, not watching, not opening your ears and eyes to what’s going on around you in the unseen world. You live in the seen world and you choose to ignore the day to day unseen world happening around you.
First and foremost you Christians don’t know how to hear from me constantly. You hear in fits and starts. You hear impressions and feelings, a word here, an impression there. You spend your time trying to join up the ‘dots’ of communication from me and make sense of it. Imagine if you had to communicate with your friends and family like that! It wouldn’t make for very satisfying relationships would it? Which is why your relationships with me aren’t very satisfying either.
A relationship is not a relationship without conversation Mark. And all that’s required for back and forward conversation with me is to do it. That’s all it takes! You don’t have to be a better person first. Just ask questions and expect and articulate (write down or speak out) my responses.
You mean start writing, singing, thinking, speaking, drawing your responses before they come?
Yes. You know this. Write my answers, think them, speak them, sing them in faith and they will come attracted to your expectation of receiving them. Simple as that. You know that’s true. It’s mystic and yet realistic.
Why realistic? Some say it’s not.
Tell them to try it Mark. It’s realistic because it works. It really works. You know it does and thousands of others do too. That’s realistic Mark.
So God you’re saying that the conversation with you is the first step to fighting and beating the enemy.
Of course. Others will say it’s not, they’ll say it can’t be because they’ve never done it and they think they’ve been fighting for years. They have, they’ve been fighting blindfolded for generations and it has to stop. Mark use your brains. How can you possibly fight a winning battle if your comms with HQ are patchy and often completely silent? It can’t be done. It’s a pointless and dangerous exercise.
CONVERSATION WITH GOD: FEB 4/16
- SPIRITUAL WARFARE (PART THREE)!
SPIRITUAL WARFARE (PART THREE)!!
The 101 best ways to fight the dark enemy – listen to me, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen – and then 95 times more – listen to me. It’s the only way to win.
God you want to talk more about spiritual warfare don’t you?
Are you sure? It’s a bit of a morbid conversation God. Won’t people just get sick of this topic?
No they won’t. People are sick of the problems that this conversation will solve.
What do you mean God?
I mean that everyone is dogged by the negative. Everyone wishes things were better. Everyone is either unhappy with their lot, or worried that their lot won’t stay as good as it is right now.
What’s that got to do with spiritual warfare God?
EVERYTHING MARK!! It’s got everything to do with spiritual warfare. It’s what spiritual warfare is all about. It’s the central focus of your enemy. His entire strategy is to bring you down, to make you think you’re not as good as you actually are. That’s what he’s up to.
He does it by showing you all the things that COULD go wrong in your life and then painting them as a reality. He tells you that your business won’t succeed, your job won’t last, your career is going nowhere, what you do each day doesn’t amount to anything, your kids won’t achieve, your finances won’t prosper, your marriage is not as good as others – on and on he goes. There is no end to the rubbish he spews at you in order to bring you down.
And that’s what warfare is all about Mark. That’s the long and the short of it. It’s not about tempting you to do naughty things. That a lie that he spreads so that you busy yourself trying to earn your way into my good books by being good. And while you’re focused on that he’s actually busy marching right into your mind and telling you the lies that make you think less of yourself. That’s the real war. Every demon, every principality and power, every strongman, dark angel and deity - that’s their entire purpose. That’s their war plan. It’s a beautiful plan from their perspective because it’s the very simplest way to destroy a human being.
What do you mean God?
Mark if you make a human think they’re less than they really are, you begin to crush their very soul. The dark ones have told you they are mighty and majestic and terrifying. They’ve convinced you that their warfare is fought far above you, out of your league. They’d love it to be, they’d love to fight gloriously dastardly battles of dark beauty, but actually they don’t. For the most part their battles are fought against you puny humans, they seldom get to fight angels because it’s not often you humans give the angels instructions to fight for you.
Even though you don’t know you’re in a battle the dark ones still find it exceedingly hard to win. You humans are immeasurably powerful.
But God we’ve been taught the opposite?!?
Exactly Mark. Of course you have. Where do you think the teaching comes from – from light or darkness? Mark right there in your mess and problems and mistakes and faults – even in all your problems you’re incredibly and massively powerful. They have told you that you are weak and getting weaker and completely unable to fight them unless you tidy up your life, but they lie. It’s a lie that gives them more power and you less. But actually you can and do beat them and they are forced to fight down in your league, right where you are, for the simple reason that they CANNOT fight you somewhere that you’re not.
When you understand it like that, their war plan is actually a beautiful thing from your perspective too. Because they’re forced to fight you down at your level it means they’re down where you can grab and destroy them. They make you think you cannot fight them unless you are holy and free of all wrong. They love that lie because they know that you can never attain to that level of perfection. But it’s just a lie Mark. You can fight them just as you are. Messy old you, get out your sword and give ‘em heaps Mark there’s war to be done.
They are terrified that you will find this out because they know that if you do you can destroy them. For that reason their whole strategy is to terrify you. They work all day to make you think you are too sinful, too hapless and weak to fight them. But you’re not. You are made far more powerful than they have ever been. Just as you are, just as messed up as you are, you are far more powerful than they. And yet so much of Christianity has bought into their lie that you have to be cleaner person to fight them. It’s a lie designed to scare you. You know you can never attain to that level of perfection and so you become less inclined to fight.
Their focus is to make you think less of yourself than is the truth. Their job is to make you think things are worse than they are, and getting worse. Demons and principalities and powers are mighty powers weakened and corrupted by selfishness, greed and fear. They are afraid, afraid of you. Their decision to consciously oppose and destroy all that is good has seriously weakened them. The difference in what they were like to what they are like now, is the difference between Queens and Princesses and a bunch of catty teenage girls. They can still scratch and spit and bite but their whole focus now is to terrify you and immobilise you with the fear of all that might go wrong.
They make you afraid of the dark. They grip you with the fear that something is about to happen of momentously bad proportions. They fill you with the fear that things are going to get worse – job, kids, finances, marriage and so on. They make you afraid that circumstances will work against you. They make you afraid that you are not good enough – that you are not intelligent enough, not good looking enough, not smart enough, not holy enough, not likeable enough and so on.
Why God? It sounds a bit petty, a bit beneath them somehow. I imagined them as mighty dark powers skilled in warfare. Powerfully strong in the dark arts.
Yes of course it is beneath them Mark but they have no choice – along with their dark king they have been cast down and given authority to war and fight in this realm. An authority which you can easily wrest from them. And yes they are mighty powers, they are powerfully strong in the dark arts. But those arts are not as terrifying as you might think. Let’s clarify what this unruly, undisciplined bunch of catty teenage girls is up to.
Mark as you might expect they hate you, make no mistake about that. They are no ordinary bunch of venomous teenagers, they have murder on their minds these girls. If they had their way you would all be dead. If they could they would have torn the entire human race limb from limb. They would have killed and tortured you a hundred different ways. But they haven’t had their way, can’t do to you what they would like. The dark arts they have mastered are nothing more than all the myriad of ways to make a person think less of themselves than is actually true. For the most part all they can do is make you think of all the things that could go wrong for you.
Ok God. I’m not really convinced. You’re making them sound like nothing, not dangerous, just a walkover.
God don’t!! We’ve always been taught not to unwisely provoke them.
That’s good teaching Mark. You shouldn’t unwisely provoke or anger them. We have already discussed the example of Michael carefully disputing with Satan, handing him over to me for discipline.
So what are you saying then God? In one breath you say not to provoke them and in the next you say they a walkover, not dangerous, that they amount to nothing.
What have I been telling you Mark about how to fight them?
Well God you’ve said to listen to you. You said to stop using techniques and methods and just to listen to you. To hear from you exactly what each demon is up to and how to counteract its efforts.
Yes and tell me what I’ve told you about the one you’re up against at the moment?
Well you’ve amazed me God because when I realised I was fighting a spiritual power rather than just my own negative thinking I assumed you’d want me to do all kinds of praying and fasting and rebuking and quoting verses etc. But that’s not what you wanted at all.
Tell me what I told you about that approach Mark.
You said it’s just methods, our equivalent of the other side’s incantations, spells and curses.
But those things are pretty powerful God.
Yes they are but they’re just tools and only powerful when they are the tools I tell you to use. Often times, if those involved in spiritual warfare would just listen to me they’d hear me say to drop those approaches and go for other weapons. No weapon, no method, no verse or prayer or fasting technique is as powerful as my voice spoken direct to you. So listen Mark, listen for each step of the battle - EVERY BLOW AND STRIKE AND DUCK AND DIVE OF THE FIGHT. I might tell you to use one of those prescribed Christian methods, but I might not too.
Ok alright God and I’ll admit it is working amazingly well. Just listening to you has driven back and wounded the enemy that accosts me.
Good what did I tell you to do to him? What simple instruction did I give you that has him so overwhelmed? God you said to ignore him, just to ignore his lies. Not to rant and rave or throw verses at him. Just to ignore him, shut him out like I might shut out the noise of a noisy neighbour when trying to sleep.
Well God I’ve found that over the years the normal low level anxiety that most of us suffer from time to time has developed into chest gripping fear. And for no reason that I can put my finger on. The sort of fear that one gets when you’ve had terrible news – but I haven’t had any such news. In fact things are looking great. When I asked you why I felt like that you told me it wasn’t me at all, but rather it was the enemy tormenting and punching me.
It was so distracting, so overpowering that I asked if I should rebuke it, or go on a fast, or maybe get prayer or quote verses. But you said no, you said that all that is just ‘incantations and spells and methods’. Instead you said to shut out his rubbish like you might tell me to shut out the tantrum of a naughty child so that I can get on with the job at hand.
And it’s working God. He still comes back for another kick and punch at me but I have found to my amazement that all his negative thinking, all his rubbish about ‘that won’t work, this will go wrong, you’ll never succeed at that’ can be silenced relatively easily by ignoring his voice. Poor thinking and emotional insecurity cannot tell poor thinking and emotional unbalance to go like that. Madness cannot tell madness to be silent. But I can tell him to be silent and the most effective way is to ignore him.
Exactly Mark! And then there’s another step – what did I tell you it was?
Well God you reckoned that once I’d ignored him and shut out his rubbish, the next step is to ask you a new set of thoughts to put in my mind to replace his. That once my mind is at rest and uncluttered with his torment and rubbish I need to fill it with the specific thoughts you give me. You’ve told me that this is NOT about positive thinking, not about dreaming up some pre-prescribed or approved Christian list of things to think, but to ask you for the specific good things to put in my mind. You told me that approach will change everything!
And Mark does the chest gripping fear return?
Occasionally yes. And when it does it comes with a vengeance, but a little less strong, and a LOT less powerful than it did before. Listening to you has made an enormous difference.
So what have you learned?
Listen to you for the right approach with each of his attacks.
Exactly Mark! As I said the negative isn’t you, it’s him, them, the dark one. But the method for overcoming them is always the same. Listen to me. This particular dark filth that you have encountered can be removed, in your situation by ignoring him. It’s not the same for everyone. I will tell them how to remove him if they ask me. Any other approach is less effective if not downright dangerous! There’s only one rule reliable for everyone – LISTEN TO ME. If you want to grab and destroy the enemy who attempt
CONVERSATION WITH GOD: FEB 9/16
- A dad sort of father
A dad sort of father
Mark you just need to keep on listening. Listening and then listening even more. In your life you could do with more listening. You know that don’t you?
You mean listening to you?
What do you mean by more listening God?
More listening would make it easier to achieve the things you want to in life.
Really God? I’m the guy who’s always listening. That’s what people say anyway, and it’s not always a compliment either. They think I’m a little strange to listen to you as much as I do. A bit too spiritual.
Well Mark you could listen more if you wanted. I’m just saying.
Is this a rebuke God?
Mark no, not at all. You’ve asked and asked and asked me to talk to you. And that’s what I’m doing. I’m just talking. Why does it always have to be a rebuke? Why can’t it be a comment, an observation, a thought?
Ok. True God, sorry.
Don’t be sorry Mark. I’m your father. I’m your dad sort of father - not your angry stern sort of father.
Well Mark which sort of father do you want me to be?
The dad sort I guess God.
Good then relax. Sit with me. Let me talk. Let me muse. Let me ask you questions and make observations. Let me be your dad - like a dad sitting around a camp fire with you. That sort of dad.
Well? Would you like me to be that sort of dad Mark? The two of us sitting around a camp fire talking. Lying on our bed rolls just talking. Father and son. Tossing around the thoughts that have been on our minds, airing them for the other to see. Asking questions, making comments.
Ok God - this is really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY you right? Like I’m not making this up or hearing the other fella?
It’s really me Mark.
Well if it’s really you then it sure sounds good. Better than good really. I’d love to know you like that God. Actually it sounds totally and completely awesome as my kids might say. It really does.
Tell me what you’re thinking Mark?
Well I’m thinking that when you tell me you love me, when you use words like I love you, I don’t like it, don’t believe it…
You know why that is right?
Yes. Well I think I do. I think it’s because of my own baggage – my hang ups and insecurities blah blah blah, I think that’s why I can’t quite relate to you saying you love me. It’s uncomfortable, sort of too religious I guess - I have issues accepting you love me.
And well I’m a bit of a cynic God. I’m cynical about the word ‘love’ when used in connection with you. I’ve heard too many religious people saying they love each other when they clearly don’t. I’ve done the same. I’ve heard them say they love you when they’ve never even had a conversation with you. I’ve done the same too. And then I’ve heard them tell others that God loves them. I’ve done all that myself God and I haven’t meant or understood it any more than they have. It’s all been so empty so often.
And so when you turn up and say it’s really you talking - and then you go and say you love me it just sounds so darned religious somehow God. Like the words might have meant something once but not anymore. Now it seems the words have been trotted out so often that they’re a bit meaningless. To me anyway. Sorry God but if I’m honest that’s just the way I feel.
Don’t be sorry, I want to hear the rest of the story Mark – I’m enjoying this.
Ok well so I don’t like it when you tell me you love me, but you keep on insisting on doing so. And I guess I’m getting used to it. A little bit anyway. I’m slowly starting to believe it but I have to tell you God I’m still not comfortable with it.
No you’re not, but a switch went on in your mind earlier in this conversation didn’t it?
Yes it did. But before I get to that God, can I just say something really crazy?
Ok, well since you talked about it just before, the campfire image has become so stuck in my mind that it’s become a reality. In my mind that’s become exactly what’s happening right now. It really is me and you lying around the campfire talking. That picture has become so real that I’d forgotten that it was just an image you suggested. How weird is that God?!?
I don’t find it weird at all Mark. That’s what it’s like when I say something – it becomes real. And that’s what I’ve always wanted with you. There’s a lot more for us to do together than just sit around a campfire talking, but that’s one of the most important things right now. Just to be able to relax in the wild with you, in the cool of a February evening, swatting bugs, enjoying the fire, feeling a cooling breeze and just talking Mark. Just talking. But tell me, I want to hear you explain the switch that flicked on in your mind at the start of this conversation.
Ok well the switch flicking on was the reason I said all that stuff about how I get uncomfortable when you say you love me.
Yes exactly, so explain the switch Mark.
Ok well when you talked about you and me lying around the camp fire, just talking and chewing the fat about all kinds of stuff like I did a few times with my own dad… that’s when the switch flicked on in my mind God. When I heard you say that, SUDDENLY I actually believed that you loved me. I understood it somehow. A bit anyway. When you explained it like the campfire scene I realised I could be comfortable with you loving me if that’s what it meant.
Yes you did.
So why has it taken so long to tell me the story like that God? Why didn’t you explain it to me like that before now?
You wouldn’t have understood it Mark. Not until now. You wouldn’t have known what I meant.
Are you sure God?
Trust me Mark I’m sure. You wouldn’t have understood. You needed to learn all the things that you have about what I’m really like first. If you hadn’t then the stern image of me that Religion has taught you wouldn’t have allowed you to understand the campfire story. By having a conversation with me, back and forward, for all these six years, you’ve learned things about me that you could never learn listening to sermons or reading. You have to get it direct from me and lots of it to understand me Mark.
Ok God keep talking please.
Mark that’s enough for one night. Just lie there in the long grass of your mind, prop your head up on your hand, watch the fire, look across at me as I talk, swat some bugs, feel the sleep coming on and savour this moment. Just me and you – you and your dad out here in the wild talking and enjoying each other’s company.